Wednesday, December 1, 2004

HALL OF FAME BALLOT –

RETURNING PLAYERS

The Hall of Fame Ballots have been sent out again to the Baseball Writers of America. If you recall, last year, I spent one day talking about the new players on the ballot, and one day discussing those returning to the ballot. If you know any of your local members of the Baseball Writers of America, e-mail them, or write them and let them know who they should vote for. They may or may not agree with you, or me, but feel free to send them this link. Can't hurt right?! I know I did this last year and got some good comments. Some agreed with me on Bert Blyleven and some just said there was no way they would ever consider the thoughts of "outsiders." It was really quite interesting.

Today, I am going to discuss those players returning to the ballot from last year's vote, and tomorrow I will discuss the players who are making their first appearance on the ballot. For those returning, I will use the same information that I did a year ago. (The only players that are different are Fernando Valenzuela and Keith Hernandez, who did not get the required 5% of the vote to stay on the ballot. Also, Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley were first-year ballot guys a year ago who got in. No other first-year guys got even 5% of the vote.) My opinion is, of course, that those players have done absolutely nothing over the past twelve months to improve their Hall of Fame credentials. However, I do reserve the right to change my mind, and I have done that for one player who last year I did not think was a Hall of Famer, and now I do.

So, let's get to it. Again, I would love to hear your comments on my thoughts, so please e-mail me.

Bert Blyleven - Minnesota Twins, Texas Rangers, Pittsburgh Pirates, Cleveland Indians, California Angels

Seasons

G

GS

IP

W

L

S

ERA

H

R

ER

BB

SO

ERA+

22

692

685

4970

287

250

0

3.31

4632

2029

1830

1322

3701

118

How is it possible that the 52 year old Bert Blyleven is not a Hall of Famer? Two World Series Championships (’79 with the Pirates, ’87 with the Twins). 9th on the All-Time Shutout list with 60. When Bert Blyleven retired, he was 3rd on the All-Time strikeout list with 3,701 strikeouts. He is still 5th place on that list:

1.)      Nolan Ryan  5,714

2.)      Roger Clemens  4,317

3.)      Randy Johnson  4,161

4.)      Steve Carlton  4,136

5.)      Bert Blyleven  3,701

6.)      Tom Seaver  3,640

7.)      Don Sutton  3,574

8.)      Gaylord Perry  3,534

9.)      Walter Johnson  3,509

10.)   Phil Niekro  3,342

11.)   Fergie Jenkins  3,192

12.)   Bob Gibson  3,117

I think we all know that Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson will be first-ballot Hall of Famers. So, no pitcher with more than 3,000 career strikeouts is NOT in the Hall of Fame… except one, Bert Blyleven. Why does that make sense? Why don’t voters vote for him? If he had not played those couple of years for bad Cleveland teams and somehow won 12 more ball games, there would be absolutely no question that Bert Blyleven would have been a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Let’s take a quick look at the 10 players that Baseball Reference says are most similar to Bert Blyleven:

1.)      Don Sutton

2.)      Gaylord Perry

3.)      Fergie Jenkins

4.)      Tommy John

5.)      Robin Roberts

6.)      Tom Seaver

7.)      Jim Kaat

8.)      Early Wynn

9.)      Phil Niekro

10.)   Steve Carlton

From that list, all but Tommy John and Jim Kaat have already been inducted into baseball’s Hall of Fame. So as I’ve asked before, someone please explain to me how Bert Blyleven is not a Hall of Fame pitcher. If you know, please, e-mail me.

Please remember to check out both Bert Blyleven's website and the wonderful Blyleven for Hall of Fame article by Rich Lederer from a year ago!

Dave Concepcion - Cincinnati Reds

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

19

2488

8723

993

2326

389

48

101

950

736

1186

0.267

0.322

0.357

321

88

A member of four World Series teams with the vaunted Big Red Machine. The team won championships in 1975 and 1976. Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan and Tony Perez have already been inducted from those teams, so I’m sure that’s why he’s still on the ballot. A very solid shortstop for a lot of years, Concepcion was a nine-time All-Star. He was an above average shortstop earning five Gold Glove Awards. A solid performer for some very good teams, but the Hall is for the best of the best!

Andre Dawson - Montreal Expos, Chicago Cubs, Boston Red Sox, Florida Marlins

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

21

2627

9927

1373

2774

503

98

438

1591

589

1509

0.279

0.323

0.482

314

119

Hawk had a pretty solid career and you have to wonder what it could have been with two healthy knees! Dawson won eight Gold Glove Awards and was a All-Star eight times as well. He won the 1987 NL MVP despite his Chicago Cubs finishing in last place. Two other times he finished second in MVP voting. His 438 homers rank 29th all-time and his 1,591 RBI ranks him 28th.  Was Andre Dawson a great player? Yes! Was he a Hall of Famer? I don’t think so, but he’s close enough that he will remain on the ballot for the duration.

Steve Garvey - Los Angeles, San Diego Padres

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

19

2332

8835

1143

2599

440

43

272

1308

479

1003

0.294

0.329

0.446

83

116

Steve Garvey actually put up some very good career numbers. He was a 10 time All-Star. He was 0-3 in his World Series appearances with the Dodgers in the 1970s, but then the team won the 1981 World Series. He then went to San Diego where his team lost in the 1984 World Series. As solid a hitter as Garvey was, he was probably a better defensive player. He won just four Gold Glove Awards, but he held a career .996 Fielding percentage. His 9.04 Range Factor was well above the 7.96 league average. Another good thing about Garvey, he played almost every day and still holds the National League record for consecutive games played!

Rich Gossage – Chicago White Sox, Pittsburgh Pirates, New York Yankees, San Diego Padres, Chicago Cubs, San Francisco Giants, Texas Rangers, Oakland A’s, Seattle Mariners

Seasons

G

GS

IP

W

L

S

ERA

H

R

ER

BB

SO

ERA+

22

1002

37

1809.3

124

107

310

3.01

1497

670

605

732

1502

126

Goose Gossage was intimidating, mustache and all!  Along with Rollie Fingers and Bruce Sutter, Gossage needs to be judged different than most other pitchers. They were closers before the current closer role was defined. They would pitch 2-3 innings frequently throughout the year. They would come into tie games or when the team was ahead or behind. And, of the three, I think that Gossage was the best. Fingers is already in the Hall, and Sutter is approaching receiving the necessary votes. He was a 9 time All-Star. His 310 saves are 13th on the all-time list, and Fingers is the only pitcher from his era above him. He even won a World Series ring with the Yankees in 1978. He appeared in the 1981 World Series with the Yankees and the ’84 Series with the Padres, but his teams lost in both cases.

Tommy John – Cleveland Indians, Chicago White Sox, Los Angeles, New York Yankees, California Angels, Oakland A’s

Seasons

G

GS

IP

W

L

S

ERA

H

R

ER

BB

SO

ERA+

26

760

700

4710.3

288

231

4

3.34

4783

2017

1749

1259

2245

111

Tommy John is another interesting case for the Hall of Fame. He has some pretty impressive numbers, but a lot of them were accumulated because he pitched for so long. Of course, he is best known as having an arm surgery named after him. But he came back from that and continued to pitch well for almost 15 more seasons. John was named to four All-Star teams. Two times he finished second in the Cy Young Award vote. His teams lost the three World Series that John was part of (’77 and ‘78 Dodgers, ’81 Yankees). Again, just 12 more wins would probably ensure him a spot in Cooperstown, but his 288 wins still ranks 24th all-time.

Don Mattingly - New York Yankees

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

14

1785

7003

1007

2153

442

20

222

1099

588

444

0.307

0.358

0.471

14

127

There was quite a bit of discussion on this site after Don Mattingly was named the Yankees new hitting coach a month ago. A six time All-Star. Nine Gold Glove Awards. Donnie Baseball was the 1985 AL MVP, just beating out George Brett. In 1986, he finished second behind Roger Clemens in the MVP voting.  Injuries definitely hurt his career the last five or six years, but he refused to miss much playing time because of it. He was the heart and soul of some bad ‘80s Yankees teams.

Jack Morris - Detroit Tigers, Minnesota Twins, Toronto Blue Jays, Cleveland Indians

Seasons

G

GS

IP

W

L

S

ERA

H

R

ER

BB

SO

ERA+

18

549

527

3824

254

186

0

3.90

3567

1815

1657

1390

2478

105

Twins fans want Jack Morris in the Hall of Fame simply for Game 7 of the 1991 World Series. After Josh Beckett’s Game 6 win against the Yankees in dominant fashion, many said that it was the greatest pitching performance in a World Series. Those people are either dumb, or they didn’t see Jack Morris’ 10-inning shutout against the Braves. However, a Hall of Fame plaque is earned for a career, not individual games, no matter how big. Jack Morris was the "winningest" pitcher in the big leagues for the decade of the ‘80s! (Note – he was also the "losingest" pitcher of that decade) A bulldog, Morris wanted to pitch a lot of innings. He pitched in five All-Star games. His 3.90 ERA is quite high for the Hall of Fame, and that 105 ERA+ is just slightly above average. But Morris shined on the big stage. He played on 3 World Series championship teams. First with the Tigers in 1984, then the aforementioned Twins 1991 team and again the following year with the Toronto Blue Jays.

Dale Murphy - Atlanta Braves, Philadelphia Phillies, Colorado Rockies

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

18

2180

7960

1197

2111

350

39

398

1266

986

1748

0.265

0.346

0.469

161

121

Dale Murphy always gets talked of as a Hall of Famer. I can’t say I understand that, but he was a very good player for most of a decade with the Braves. He won the 1982 and 1983 NL MVP awards, hitting 36 home runs both years. He actually led the league in home runs the next two years with 36 and 37 homers, respectively. He was a seven time All-Star and a five time Gold Glove winning outfielder, very impressive considering he came up to the Braves a catcher. He had his great years and then his career plummeted and in a hurry. But the career numbers are very good. Maybe if he, instead of Claudell Washington was my favorite player at that time, I would be more biased toward the Murphy vote.

Dave Parker – Pittsburgh Pirates, Cincinnati Reds, Oakland A’s, Milwaukee Brewers, California Angels, Toronto Blue Jays

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

19

2466

9358

1272

2712

526

75

339

1493

683

1537

0.290

0.339

0.471

154

121

Like Keith Hernandez, drug problems may have cost Parker some time, or at least a break from the media. But Dave Parker was a great all-around hitter. He played on seven All-Star teams. He won three Gold Gloves. He won the 1978 NL MVP Award and finished in the Top 5 in voting five times! He appeared in three World Series. His Sister Sledge “We Are Family” Pirates won the 1979 Series. Then he played on the 1988 and 1989 Oakland A’s teams that lost and then won the World Series.

Jim Rice - Boston Red Sox

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

16

2089

8225

1249

2452

373

79

382

1451

670

1423

0.298

0.352

0.502

58

128

Jim Rice always gets plenty of support from the New England media when he isn’t selected for the Hall of Fame. I agree that he was a great player as well. Good power, good average. Rice played on eight All-Star teams. He won the 1978 AL MVP and finished in the Top 5 in voting six times. He was part of the ’86 Red Sox team that lost the heartbreaking World Series to the Mets. Jim Rice has a very strong OPS+. I’m not convinced that he’s more a Hall of Famer than any of the others on this list, but I am sure he will be the one getting the most coverage by the media!

Ryne Sandberg – Philadelphia Phillies, Chicago Cubs

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

16

2164

8385

1318

2386

403

76

282

1061

761

1260

0.285

0.344

0.452

344

114

Another interesting case is Ryne Sandberg. Maybe he’s an example of why sometimes being eligible for the Hall of Fame more than one year is good. At first look, Sandberg’s numbers are great, but not necessarily Hall of Fame caliber on their own. He played in ten straight All Star games (1984-1993) and won nine Gold Gloves at 2B. He was the 1984 NL MVP and three times he finished in the Top 5 in voting.  All very good, but Hall of Fame? Now compare his numbers against other 2B, and especially other 2B during his era. That’s where the argument arises that he could be a Hall of Fame 2B!

Lee Smith – Chicago Cubs, Boston Red Sox, St. Louis Cardinals, New York Yankees, Baltimore Orioles, California Angels, Cincinnati Reds, Montreal Expos

Seasons

G

GS

IP

W

L

S

ERA

H

R

ER

BB

SO

ERA+

18

1022

6

1289.3

71

92

478

3.03

1133

475

434

486

1251

132

#1 on the All-Time Saves list with 478. Here are the Top 5 in that category:

1.)      Lee Smith  478

2.)      John Franco  424

3.)      Dennis Eckersley  390

4.)      Jeff Reardon  367

5.)      Trevor Hoffman  352

Now, I’m right there with many others that say that the Save is one of the most over-rated statistics in baseball history. But, like the DH, the closer has become a big part of the game of baseball. That was Lee Smith’s role for his career and he did it well. Look at his strikeouts/IP at almost 1.0. Look at his ERA+. Lee Smith was one of the first to redefine the closer role as it is today. He led the league in Saves four times and finished in the top 5 of his league eleven time. Smith was also a seven time All-Star.

Bruce Sutter – Chicago Cubs, St. Louis Cardinals, Atlanta Braves

Seasons

G

GS

IP

W

L

S

ERA

H

R

ER

BB

SO

ERA+

12

661

0

1042.3

68

71

300

2.83

879

370

328

309

861

136

Bruce Sutter’s career wasn’t as long as Gossage’s, but it was equally as dominant. 300 saves with a 2.83 career ERA. That 136 ERA+ shows just how strong he was.  A six-time All-Star, Sutter was named the 1979 NL Cy Young Award winner. He finished top 5 for the award four other times. He was also a member of the 1982 St. Louis Cardinals World Series championship team.

Alan Trammell - Detroit Tigers

Seasons

G

AB

R

H

2B

3B

HR

RBI

BB

SO

AVG

OBP

SLG

SB

OPS+

20

2293

8288

1231

2365

412

55

185

1003

850

874

0.285

0.352

0.415

236

110

I have to admit, I totally don’t understand why there are so many people that think that Alan Trammell is a Hall of Fame caliber player. Just look at his numbers. They’re good, but they’re far from earth-shattering. And, I’m a huge supporter of the fact that numbers and stats don’t tell the whole story. This must be a case of that! Trammell was a six time All-Star and four-time Gold Glove winner for the Tigers. He was also the MVP of the 1984 World Series. One more thing that really sticks in my mind as a reason he should not be a Hall of Famer is his number of games played each season. Starting with his first full season in 1978, here are the number of games Trammell played in through 1996 (139, 142, 146, 105, 157, 142, 139, 149, 151, 151, 128, 121, 146, 101, 29, 112, 76, 74, 66). If you’re a Hall of Famer, you should be averaging less time off each season. His double-play partner, Lou Whitaker, deserves just as much consideration in my mind.

SUMMARY  

Again I can’t stress enough that I think all of these players were incredible! They not only stayed in the league for more than a decade, but their careers are strong enough to remain on this ballot and some of them may still end up in the Hall of Fame. So, here are the results if I were to give a percentage that I think they will receive (Not based on last year or any other percentage):

1.)      Bruce Sutter – 75%

2.)      Ryne Sandberg – 75%

3.)      Andre Dawson – 62%

4.)      Jim Rice – 55%

5.)      Bert Blyleven – 49%

6.)      Lee Smith – 32%

7.)      Goose Gossage – 31%

8.)      Dale Murphy – 12%

9.)      Steve Garvey – 11%

10.)   Don Mattingly – 10%

11.)   Jack Morris – 10%

12.)   Dave Parker – 9%

13.)    Alan Trammell – 8%

14.)   Tommy John – 5%

15.)   Dave Concepcion – 5%

 

In other words, I think that a couple of these guys will finally get into the Hall. I think that Dawson and Rice will stay high, but not near 75% I also think that Bert Blyleven will continue to gain percentage just because his career numbers are too good to continue to ignore.
 

SETH’S HALL OF FAME VOTE

I wish I had a vote for this honor. I would really take it seriously. I would do my homework, and obviously far more than just what you see above. Again, as a voter, I would have the ability to vote for up to ten players for the Hall of Fame. Here are my choices with my thoughts on those on the ballot for the first time still to go tomorrow:

1.) Bert Blyleven – Pitcher

2.) Goose Gossage – Relief Pitcher

3.) Ryan Sandberg - 2B

4.) Lee Smith – Relief Pitcher

So, there are four of a possible ten votes. I could add up to six more tomorrow when I review the careers of those on the ballot for the first time (but I won't!!)

What do you think about my “vote”? Am I on track in my analysis and thoughts? Who am I leaving out that you would want to be included? I’d love to hear your arguments on this topic. I know many will write about their votes and tell you who they think should be selected for the Hall of Fame, so I wanted to get my thoughts out first. Please, send me an e-mail and let’s get a discussion going on this Hall of Fame topic. Voters (Baseball Writers of America) have until the end of the month to cast their votes, and the results will be announced in early January. At that time, we will know who the 2005 Hall of Fame Inductees will be.

 

That is it for today. Again, be sure to check back tomorrow for a look at those on the Hall of Fame Ballot for the first time!

 

If you have any questions or comments, e-mail me. And, have a wonderful day!   

 

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